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New Hampshire Republicans Propose Bill To Eliminate Workers' Lunch Breaks | ThinkProgress

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New Hampshire’s GOP legislature has come up with all manner of absurd bills recently, including a proposal making public school curriculum optional, another to prevent police from protecting domestic abuse victims, and even a measure mandating that new laws be based on the Magna Carta.

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The bill’s sponsor, state representative J.R. Hoell, argued that companies failing to provide lunch breaks would be shamed over social media, thus rendering the law unnecessary.

COH Please.

  • 15 votes
#1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 8:56 PM EST
RT-36

Blaze of Glory, Republicans. Blaze of Glory.

I feel like we are witnessing the death of a(nother) political party....

  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 1:36 AM EST
RNDiane

Unfortunately, I don't think there will be death to these people (not literal death). They seem to have more and more supporters for these strange ideas they come up with. These people are obviously out of touch with the reality of what goes on in the workplace. I can't believe they are that stupid. Perhaps if they would get out more they might learn something. They might try talking to people other than their rich GOP buddies.

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 2:31 AM EST
SgtNickAngel

The state representatives who have sponsored this bill must have never had to work for a living! Ironically, based on their girth, some of these representatives have never missed a lunch.

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:40 AM EST
bore-head007

Chiming in as a NH worker, I welcome the change, and will explain why.

It may not fit every occupation, but for instance, working construction, or driving a dump truck, we were able to work through lunch, and eat "on the fly", which added 2 1/2 hrs of overtime, as no break, the meter keeps running!

Civilized people don't operate like that, like say receptionists, and many other occupations, but, I would prefer to stuff a sandwich down my throat while working and gaining time.

2 1/2hrs turns to ten extra OT hrs per month. It adds up.

I know these kooks have put out some really zaney ideas, but as a worker, I like this one.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 7:53 AM EST
ERich-356044

Bore-head... I see your point.

I think it is a bit ironic that this will ultimately lead to the employers forcing their employees back to the lunch break so they don't have to pay overtime.

As a teacher, I neeeeed those 30 minutes of lunch break every day. That's all I get, 30 minutes, so it is needed to inhale my sandwich or lean cuisine and get my afternoon ready for teaching (copy papers etc...)

I see both sides. I would like to see if there was a compromise.... employees can sign a paper to work through their lunch and get to leave early or paid overtime etc... but otherwise we still get our mandatory lunch break perhaps?

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 8:10 AM EST
bore-head007

ER, I doubt there will be rush to eliminate the lunch break, but this would allow employers the flexibility they don't have now.They must follow the law.

It really sucked when they started forcing us to break.

I worked a lot of twelves, and that extra 1/2 really adds up!

Like I said, its not applicable to every occupation, but I doubt the SAU's will be rushing to kill teachers lunch breaks!

Now, that 15 min coffe break............

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 8:24 AM EST
ERich-356044

Sadly, we don't get that coffee break either... we are doing recess duty... but hey... cant take away the coffee break!!!!

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 8:34 AM EST
CapnJohnSmith

ELECT VERMIN SUPREME!

Isn't he the gum boot wearing guy that always runs in the New Hampshire presidential primary?

I want a free pony to go with my lunch and I think Mr. Supreme would deliver if elected.

    #1.8 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:10 AM EST
    daMamma

    I've worked for places that refused to give the 2 15s and half, while requiring the employees to be there for 8.5 hours. (only paying for the 8) If any employee were so bold as to think to take 2 15 minute breaks or their half hour lunch, they were docked a whole hour. Some of these places did allow eating at your desk, but you also had to keep working.

    Yeah, try to complain. There's the door don't let it hit you. There are others lining up for the chance to even have a job.

    Nothing but pipe dreaming if this idiot thinks companies will give breaks or lunch out of the goodness of their hearts. They are also full of @!$%# if they think taking it to social media or any other outlet is not going to result in the employee losing their job.

    • 3 votes
    #1.9 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 2:31 PM EST
    whatthetruth52

    This is sad, I know that bore-head doesn't mind not having a lunch, but what about the diabetic that needs to rest and eat.... this is just another step closer to eliminating all workers rights... what is next child labor... oh wait there has already been talk of that from the republican presidential candidate. My grandfather worked hard to secure the rights that we have today, my father worked hard to maintain those laws.. Now the republican party wants to trash the work of millions of Americans.. for shame.

    I thought this was a civilized society not a country of sweat-shops and wage slavery.

    • 4 votes
    #1.10 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:04 PM EST
    bore-head007

    whatthetruth52

    lol! I never missed a lunch. Lookin' at my waist line.......

    Like I said, it's not conducive to every situation, but as I described, if you can eat your lunch on the fly, you make more money, and still get to eat.

    The way the law is now, there is no latitude. You must take that lunch break.

    I really don't believe it will eliminate lunch breaks. It may change the legality but to believe that any company's will stop lunch breaks is absurd.

    • 1 vote
    #1.11 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 4:13 PM EST
    daMamma

    I thought this was a civilized society not a country of sweat-shops and wage slavery.

    If it's good enough for China.....

    • 3 votes
    #1.12 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:03 PM EST
    whatthetruth52

    So by eating lunch on the "fly" you are just as productive as you are when you are not eating? Maybe in your job you can eat and work but when you are an office worker like me you can't. If I tried to eat and work my productivity would crash and I would basically be ripping off my employer by not performing my job duties to the best of my ability.

    I am sure you don't think this way but that seems like stealing time to me. you work when you are scheduled and eat when you are not. to do both at the same time seems wrong to me. Just my opinion.... I would never allow anyone to eat and work at the same time, especially if I was paying them overtime...

    • 1 vote
    #1.13 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:35 PM EST
    bore-head007

    I'm willing to bet that an office worker won't eat a sandwich like a truck driver!

    Heck, I could'nt work in an office! I'd go nuts.

    Have you ever noticed guys standing around on a road crew, and say to yourself, "look at them! Just standing there." as you drive by?

    What appears as a bunch of bums standing around, picking their noses, it could be a timing, delay issue. The work is still happening, as there could be a guy in the hole doing a one man operation like digging around a pipe, or making a connection or god knows what. Everyone waits until he completes his task.

    Standing there waiting? Suck down a sandwich. He finishes? He come out and swallows his sandwich, and the whole operation is a continuing steady flow, of which everyone makes out. Owner and the guys.

    Sitting in the truck waiting to dump a load of sand? eat a sandwich.

    Sitting in a back hoe waiting for something? eat.

    I did say, its not for everyone.

    Its easy to walk away from a computer, I'd guess, as you task alone, maybe.

    I have never not given full value for my pay, by the way.

    • 1 vote
    #1.14 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:08 PM EST
    daMamma

    I have never not given full value for my pay, by the way.

    Most all of us give full value for our pay. And I don't know anyone that gets paid for their half hour lunch break. You have to clock out. Yet there are still companies that insist that people eat at their desk AND work. Oh and many of these are sure to dock a half hour off your pay anyway.

    What employee is going to complain in the economy, or in a 'right to work' state? You won't and they know it.

    • 3 votes
    #1.15 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:15 PM EST
    bore-head007

    Most all of us give full value for our pay

    Heh! I never accused anyone of anything less!

    All Ive done is TRY to explain a different situation that works well in an environment you are not familiar with, maybe the exception being, sitting in traffic at a road job, wondering why it appears some guys are standing around.

    Maybe I can explain this in my unknown office jargon.

    Flexible multitasking.

    There is one little detail I did not mention.

    If you get rained out for a day. You don't get paid for the day. You eat the loss.

    So instead of thirty two hours, you'd at least make up two hours, and end up with thirty four for the week. Which is better than thirty two!

    • 1 vote
    #1.16 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:41 PM EST
    daMamma

    So giving "full value" is eating on the job? Sorry, but many places, including these roadside crews dock the half hour (or hour as the case may be) lunch break whether or not you clock out.

    As for road crews, there is no clock, the half hour lunch is assumed taken and the time docked. Snarfing down lunch while working simply gives the company a FREE half hour worth of work. To me that's right up there with stealing from the company, only in reverse. I've worked a few companies that "steal" time from employees.

    • 2 votes
    #1.17 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:09 PM EST
    bore-head007

    Thank you for reading

    There is one little detail I did not mention.

    If you get rained out for a day. You don't get paid for the day. You eat the loss.

    So instead of thirty two hours, you'd at least make up two hours, and end up with thirty four for the week. Which is better than thirty two!

    Sorry, but many places, including these roadside crews dock the half hour (or hour as the case may be) lunch break whether or not you clock out.

    Hour for lunch for a road crew??? Heh heh heh. Forget it.

    You know all about it. I have only offered you information, and a point of view of something you appear to know nothing about.

    Some people really miss the eight hours they lose from bad weather.

    Heck, it could even rain three days. 21 hrs lost from your weekly check.

    The only time anything like that would effect you is if the fire sprinkler ruptured, and they sent you home for the day.

    Would they still pay you? or would you take home 32 hrs pay for the week.

    You can have the last word. See ya.

      #1.18 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:38 PM EST
      daMamma

      Must be pretty hard rain to keep road crews from working. I've watched the ones around here work in all types of weather. I've also seen road crews in my home state do the same.

      They all break for lunch at the same time, (around here). If the weather is good, they send someone down to Subway or one of the other local eateries to pick something up. If the weather is bad, they all head down together and eat inside.

      Are all road crews or their companies like that? I wouldn't know. Just know about the particular crews and companies I happen know.

      • 2 votes
      #1.19 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:57 PM EST
      bore-head007

      Here again, there are no typical situations.

      A deep sewer crew is different than a paving crew, and here are so many variables to consider. A gas crew is different than a water crew.

      If you work in a development building houses and roads, and digging foundations, taking a regular lunch break is no big deal. Its easy enough to do, because there is no preasure like in the street.

      I live in New England. The season lasts around ten months. Variables like weather, scheduling, holidays, stuff like that, cut into your time. You want to make as much as you can, while you can. If you lose two weeks pay because of these issues, it hurts.

      These jobs usually offer 5 holidays per year, and if you accumulate vacation time, they ask you to schedule it in the slow season. Like lay off time. There is generally no sick leave. or other benefits. Little things mean a lot, like having a boss that will let you make up time.

      The law makes them demand that you stop for lunch, even if you want to work through. The law prevents you from making up the time.

      I know these t-nuts in New Hampshire have been getting a lot of justified attention with the over the top stuff they have been trying to legislate, and the birth-er crap, and I'm embarrassed to say they are mine. Maybe they don't realize its gonna help some people.

      It won't hurt a receptionist in a doctors office. God knows the Dr won't miss his lunch either.

      If we still had factory's and shoe shops, I could see a group that could be hurt, but like everywhere else, we don't have many left.

        #1.20 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:34 PM EST
        daMamma

        So we do away with lunch breaks, because the law says we don't have to have them any longer. Are people going to be paid 2 1/2 hours overtime each week or are business going to close up a half hour earlier do you think? I honestly don't see either one happening.

        • 2 votes
        #1.21 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:19 AM EST
        bore-head007

        No ones gonna lose their lunch break. The businesses would never get away with it.

        Could you imagine the outrage?

        I sure would like the flexability to make up lost time, or gain a little.

        This T-Party crap is short lived, and besides, the Governor will veto it.

          #1.22 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:19 AM EST
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          DS12

          Of course, not every employer can be counted to to follow even the easiest of requirements to look after workers’ health and rights. Back in 2005, Walmart was forced to pay $172 million for denying workers their lunch breaks. Pyramid Breweries Inc. settled a case in 2008 for $1.5 million. Just a few months ago, California ordered Embassy Suites to pay workers tens of thousands of dollars for forcing them to skip breaks.

          SMDH....hmmmm it starts with no lunch, then no overtime, death of the 40 hour work week, safety what safety with no OSHA, minimum wage-you should feel lucky to have a job and the pennies we give you suffice......facetious.....maybe?

          • 25 votes
          Reply#2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 9:05 PM EST
          charger383

          I bet it does not apply to meals lobbyists buy politicians

          • 21 votes
          Reply#3 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 9:25 PM EST
          T-800

          It obviously wouldn't apply to the legislators lunch breaks either.

          • 3 votes
          #3.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:57 AM EST
          bore-head007

          The New Hampshire State Senate is the upper body of the New Hampshire State Legislature. The Senate meets at the State Capitol in Concord.

          The Senate is made up of 24 members who are elected every two years. They are not subject to term limits.

          Generally, sessions are held annually from early January to the end of June.

          Senators are paid $100 a year, as stipulated by the New Hampshire Constitution. Senators also receive mileage reimbursement for officially related travel. The 2009-2010 Senate consists of 14 Democrats and 10 Republicans -- 13 of whom are women and 11 of whom are men. The 2008 election made New Hampshire the first state in the nation to have a legislative body with a majority of women.

          In New Hampshire, all 24 Senate districts are based on population. The most recent redistricting occurred in 2004.[1] Each member represents an average of 54,853 residents, as of the 2010 Census.[2] After the 2000 Census, each member represented 51,491 residents.[3]

            #3.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:03 AM EST
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            gregharris

            This is REALLY getting obsurd!!!...the fall of Rome...lords, barons, and the rest of us...the serfs! Coal towns of the 20's where the company owned the store, your house, and your life!

            • 19 votes
            Reply#4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 9:41 PM EST
            charger383

            You load 16 tons and what do you get?

            Another day older and deeper in debt

            St Peter don't you come calling

            cause I owe my soul to the company store

            • 17 votes
            #4.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 10:02 PM EST
            Don Overton

            Next thing the republicans there will want eat their breakfast instead of letting them having it.

            • 11 votes
            #4.2 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 10:32 PM EST
            Truth be told-1349420

            Nope, their next absurd bill will make it mandatory for people to wear Bedbelt or they get fined. So police will trespass into people bedroom to enforce that law.

            Elections time is when those politicians need the people the most, but yet, instead of flatering voters with sweet fake promises, they are proposing outrageous things against them. Do Republicans lose all common sense or what? I don't understand.

            • 3 votes
            #4.3 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 2:17 AM EST
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            Terry-2167801

            "This is an unneeded law," [Republican state Representative Kyle Jones] said. "If I was to deny one of my employees a break, I would be in a very bad position with the company's human resources representative. If you consider that this is a very easy law to follow in that everyone already does it, then why do we need it?

            The reason Human Resources would be upset with him is because he would be breaking the law, not because they have kind hearts.

            The reason that everyone is doing it, is because it's against the law to not do it. The law came about in the first place because it was necessary since some companies WEREN'T giving ANY breaks.

            • 21 votes
            Reply#5 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 10:01 PM EST
            C. Y.

            Exactly!!

            • 8 votes
            #5.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:26 AM EST
            T-800

            Spot on Terry!

            • 5 votes
            #5.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:58 AM EST
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            Brian-497171

            Soon, we'll all be Chinese workers!!!

            • 16 votes
            Reply#6 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 10:14 PM EST
            J. W. Welch

            Only if we let 'em Brian.

            • 9 votes
            #6.1 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 11:51 PM EST
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            ScienceGuy-356641

            Most Republicans would love to turn the clock back 100+ years on workers' rights.

            If corporate CEOs and their paid lackeys in Congress had their way, all labor unions would be banned and all federal and state labor laws regulating workplace conditions -- including employee safety and child labor laws -- would be repealed. Workers' comp, overtime, paid vacation, health benefits, sick days, lunch breaks, pension funds, minimum wage, etc. ... all would be distant memories.

            • 17 votes
            Reply#7 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 10:30 PM EST
            Mofongo

            Ha, I used to live in Cow Hampshire. I was recruited to sit on my town's finance committee because of my finance background. Nice people but not a lot of business acumen between them. I found out they had fired their building inspector for doing his job. It seems he was rejecting a bunch of do it yourself home construction because it wasn't even close to meeting code. He pissed off too many people so they fired him. WTF? He showed me instances where people were nailing planters peanut cans to a stud and running wires into it for a junction box. Good luck with that!

            Our police chief was an elected job. The officers were actually degreed in law enforcement but the chief was just a 65 year old guy who got himself elected to the job. The idiot ended up putting a 9MM round in his right knee while inside the police station.

            The "Live Free And Die Stupid" state has no broad based tax (income or sales) so the only revenue for towns is property taxes, licenses, and other fees like traffic tickets. The four years I lived in this small town we had double digit increases in property taxes every year with one year reaching a 25% year over year increase. I had to sit face to face with tearful elderly people on a fixed income who were faced with losing their homes because they could no longer afford the taxes.

            Then we were approached by a supermarket chain that wanted to open a store in our town to serve the surrounding rural area. The site they wanted was good for the town. It was a clean business. It would mean tax revenue and jobs for the town. It would mean residents no longer had to drive 7 miles to get groceries. Was it approved? Hell no. The same idiots whining about losing their homes "didn't want to see the town change". I was ready to strangle them.

            Moral of the story.........New Hampshire ain't the brightest state in the union.

            • 15 votes
            Reply#8 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 10:35 PM EST
            Smith Cassidy

            Mofongo, like Diners, Drive-In & Dives?

            Regardless, good stories. That's some serious real estate tax, and something seems very wrong with taking people's homes because politicians decide to raise taxes on their property. Seriously @!$%#ed, and dare I say Unconstitutional.

            • 5 votes
            #8.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:23 AM EST
            Mofongo

            Yeah, there was a fundamental problem in this case. NH has a lot of small rural towns with very low population density. And, they have no broad based tax like an income or sales tax that would allow the state to redistribute funds from one area to another. So, each town is basically an island. Yet those people still need to fund schools, road maintenance, law enforcement, fire departments, administration of property taxes, fees, and licensing, etc. As the population gets smaller it all becomes unworkable at some point.

            So, what do you do? I tried bringing in business to expand the tax base and add jobs. Nope! Uh uh! That would "change the character of the town". We explored a regional education system that would eliminate 5 separate town systems in favor of a single larger and more efficient regional solution. Nope, the individual towns were having none of that. These "Live Free Or Die" clowns would rather lose their home than collaborate with their neighbors.

            The stupidity and absolute inability to change of some of these small town people became a real eye opener for me. In the end I decided the town deserved to simply cease to exist under the rules they seemed to want to live by.

            • 2 votes
            #8.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:59 AM EST
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            lifeisgood43

            These are the same Reps who are birthers. Didn't some of them, along with Orly Tate shout nasty things at the NH legislators for not putting Pres Obama off the NH ballot.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#10 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 2:16 AM EST
            RNDiane

            If these folks have their way, women will be n chastity belts, no breaks at work, no vacation time for workers, reduced hourly pay, no worker safety. Religion and church going will be mandatory and we will have the "religious police" to enforce that law. No sexual positions except the missionary position. And the recent successful campaign for Santorum leads me to believe that some people out there are actually in support of laws like this.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#11 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 2:35 AM EST
            Better Careful

            Bush and his Republicans took away the 40-hour week. Was that restored? I never heard that it was. Under the Bush rule, if you make any decisions at work at all you are no longer labor, but management, and are not going to get a 40-hour week, and the overtime pay that brings. It was a smarmy rule-chage. I don't know if it's ever been applied. I do believe it's still on the books, however. Anybody know if this is still the law of the land?

            • 2 votes
            Reply#12 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:33 AM EST
            Chalk

            Slowly, but steadily the American people of all races, sexes, religions and class, will become legal slaves of the rich and corporate masters and it will all be legal.

            Instead of all Americans being divided and fighting each other over trivial stuff like prescription medication, we should ban together and fight against being reduced to economic slaves. They are taking our jobs, health care, right to vote, homes , while chipping away meal breaks, vacations, overtime, education, retirement funds, while we sleep, as we bury our collective heads in the sand.

            Citizens United is now the new United States. So, while they create the distractions that the Liberals are trying to take away guns, bibles and religion, and Conservatives are trying to overtake the world, women's rights and re-create slavery. We sit in the middle trying to dodge the darts as they fly by.

            Don't take your eyes off the big picture, the goal of Big Corporations is to enslave the middle class as a whole economically and eliminate the poor though hunger and poverty and put them in prison for profit. The politicians who support Citizen's United are the ones who are driving this effort forward. Just look at the policies they are pushing at the state level and the contributors of the Super Pacs.

            • 3 votes
            Reply#13 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:47 AM EST
            Queenie of the castle

            Where I work, the guys don't get a 1/2 hour lunch break. They get 2 15 minute breaks thru the day. But they get paid for those.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#14 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:14 PM EST
            Zero-

            lol where i work i get 15 min and im off the clock

            • 1 vote
            #14.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:57 PM EST
            Queenie of the castle

            I'm suposed to get 1/2 hour - off the clock - but something usually happens that I end up working more than 1/2 of it. So, I get 15 minutes, and get docked for 30.

            • 3 votes
            #14.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:59 PM EST
            Zero-

            makes sence i guess

              #14.3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:07 PM EST
              Queenie of the castle

              The bosses like it, I know that.

              • 2 votes
              #14.4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:14 PM EST
              daMamma

              Of course they do. Can't get better than FREE work.

              • 2 votes
              #14.5 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:17 PM EST
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